Competitive gaming or not?

[Paradoxxx]

Xe i feel where you coming from and to be honest i did write a little essay on the topic and it got screwed in a time out.. I didn't bother to continue..

Some good ideas are coming out here but none leading towards the big goal of getting us Trini's some face in the world with respect to electronic sports.

Dota and Wow are 2 waste of time games and if you don't want to hear that because you 'gosu in dota/wow' get a clue buddy.

Xe there will always be 2 groups of gamers, the group that plays to win and the group that plays for fun. The group that plays 2 win will go st marteen and win a tourney and make the country proud, the group that plays for fun will waste ENDLESS hours playing .

Readers DONT be confused Normal FT isn't Dota, warcraft is a totally different game from dota.

ANY NOOB can play dota for 3-4hrs a day and become really good @ dota, hell some men even sweating dota 24/7 and will eventually get really good however The same can not be said for normal FT.

Just as with any other addiction the wow/dota men are in denial that they are addicted and its a waste of time. Its a long term waste of time, want to progress anywhere in gaming in TnT?? destroy wow/dota.

WoW baby?
Dota baby?

Negro Please, play a real game.

[kaizen]

well paradoxxx what other servers do we have up?
if you ever need help with ut servers or games worth or skill cap im always ready for it .
my quake 4 server wasnt much of a hit but 3 men from trini going quakecon just from being on that server sweating says alot i guess.
DoTa is a fun game its noobish ? not really id say its a nice way to waste time man and i enjoy playing it of course games get a little heated cuss outs start the usual. You went men to start back playing frozen throne its impossible i would say beside the loyal normal men for example , rak , vlad , to name a few other than that the majority of the men on that server are dota guys you rarely hear men asking for normal and we had a span of what 5 men playing normal in the last 2 weeks that alone is a miracle to see.
RTS is never my strong point in games but for the guys there that are passionate about it i dont know what to say, I mean everyone always has this mentality about normal being to hard to learn etc so its up to another wise cracking person to lvl out an idea for that.
if you dont want men to play dota which is and addictive , repetitive , fun waste of time :) simply have them in a "dota channel" and have a "normal channel" or something so.
this is like when sof2 was raining ranks of tnt.
A personal strategy also for promoting gaming in trinidad hold tourneys but the problem with that is that you need sponsors cause honestly who can shell out 2000 bucks for prizes on there own? ive done it once or twice rofl was a disaster. Its a big political game that you have to play to get gaming going anywhere with advertising and even being called a "cyber sport" ive had my few tries at it and i still continue to get my goals to reach the deadline of 2007 but there is only so much that each org can do on there own and the last thing we should be sqaubling about is a bunch of men coming on a server to play some dota

[ecktt]

I hada be frank here;
Para, your opinion about games is just that, your opinion and nothing more. Everyone has there own view as to what constitutes a good game. Some men prefer DoTA to others. Personally I don’t real like any RTS style games but spending half the time waiting for a FPS to start at a sweat pushed me into giving the genre a try. Men could spend days arguing over which game is better (Quake vs CS or Sof vs SC or…….) and come to no conclusion. The mere fact that DoTA all stars has elevated in popularity and gain acceptance the WCG2006 Asian Championship circuit is proof of that it is a solid mod. Hell, DoTA even has a League mode. Isn’t that what Xecutiona (http://trinigamers.com/forums/member.php?u=7) or Trinigamers want.

to become the premeir gaming organisation in the Caribbean, gaining international recognition in all of our Gaming disciplines.

Sorry if I take what you all say out of context but daz my interpretation thus far.

[Xecutiona]

well ecktt.... you are one that plays for fun, fitting into that bracket. dota really is not tournament worthy and you can read more on your wcg info...becuae that was a trial to use a team based rts...which DIDNT do too well. look at the official games and it has reverted to starcraft and Warcraft FT which are the solid, BETTER tournament games. also, read on the pro gamer's response to using a mod for a game in an international tournament.


kaizen we arent squabbling about people coming onto the server to play dota...if dota is what people want to play let them play it...but i think that the encouragement should be there to clan up and actually get their game up, while showing them the fundamentals of the original game: Warcraft FT.

within the next year Trinidad is going to be recieving alot of atention where gaming is concerned...and what im really concerned with is producing top class cyberathletes from this country...by upping the game.

from counterstrike to warcraft and need for speed we have alot to be working on...

orgainising high speed links with tstt to play our CAL or WCG league games online, international scrims preparing us for the ESWC prelims in martinique, all of these events which need to be addressed.

going to st. maarten really opened my eyes to the talent and potential that we have in our country when it comes to Gaming. we have the ability to reach to the top( a la Viper and TGS on the Warcraft ladder). in many of our gaming disciplines...its time for us to all shine and stop the bullshit mini politics and small time arguments...look at the bigger picture



as for the destroy wow/dota...
send some men to join dotaholics anonymous lol...
but you have a point...we did it to SOF...why not?

or how about just create a dota channel, a normal channel and the pro channel...where men twho want to go play normal play normal and dota play dota

[archvile]

i fine this bickering goin on to much, men trying to make points and their info kinda inaccurate....

The thread is about suggestions for growth, growth of the server and the gaming community right?

It's already known by nearlly all that the server supports warcraft, and now once again supports Starcraft and Diablo II Lord of Destruction, tested recently by scaR and myself, so there is a diversity of blizzard games playable.

The majority of games played on the server are dota games, like it or not; Dota somewhat 'reigns' in majority. Many may bash and many may swear to it, but dota is just a popular alternative to what we call 'normal'...which in fact IS what warcraft is, and how it was created to be played ( not dota as many may believe; trust me there are ppl who have BOUGHT wc to play dota...) Dota is rather enjoyable, if you have nice friendly ppl who realise this is a fun game and can teamwork, as it USED to be....but these days dota has evolved into somewhat o a warzone i guess. I hardly ever play dota anymore and lets just say, evn if i wanted to, there isnt much incentive to go back to that.

Contrary to what some men say, normal games have become plentiful lately on the server, something that I am delighted about, and with the ladder system back up and running, its all the more sweeter. The skills of some players show great improvement and promise...and with Vlad always lurkin around, heh im sure normal advice shouldnt be too hard to find.

The point is, we should NOT be judging and discriminating gamers by which type of games they play...eg one guy calls another a 'noob' cuz he plays only dota and refuses to play normal and vice versa...Those type of situations ae very petty and childish, as ppl come here to have some fun and maybe do some serious gaming/training. This unnecessary tagging and name calling and what not is just plain dotishness, it needs to stop. The fact is ppl have to realise that Dota has single-handedly brought a lot of new members to the server, be them noob or already pro. As i always say we were all noobs once, but with determination and practice we get better. by playing with persons you own level constantly and not trying to improve your game, you will do just that - not improve.

Very soon, possibly today the starcraft installer should be uploaded and if support for diablo is needed i can try and see what i can do to help. I would like to see more of these games played by members, to give them a better experience, as if you dont already realise, blizzard games have a lot in common with each other. If i remember correctly some starcaft and diablo sweats are gonna happen soon, so keep yourselves updated.

And to somewhat speak on the point ecktt was saying, if we dont come here to play with fun in mind, whats the sense. I could come here to train seriously yea, but have fun while doing it. For me personally, its a really great stress release to come here and play a few games with the fellaz, esp to hav a kicksy dota game all hours in the morn in times before...
So what im tying to say is that too much segregation and policing just gonna take away the spirit of the place, and make it all...NON-trini....

Please people, admins and members, consider the actions on and off the server which in turn affect everyone...from the use of language inappropiately to th abuse of power...keep it WISE...

[mojo]

So we seem to be talking a lot about competitive gaming now and i believe this is a good thing, but not for everyone. Each individual has his/her own reason for gaming and here is your place to voice it.

Are you a competitive gamer or are you just a gamer for fun?

[seven]

i think they both wolk hand in hand mojo....i personally play pc games for fun but if there is a time to get competitive like in dota..playing another clan then i will come forward

if i sound contradictory ammm....well....u can have fun and be good at the game at the same or be the "number one" so to speak

[Paradoxxx]

The fact that you play dota doesn't make you a noob, some are forced to play dota for varied reasons and some play for 'fun'. Dota is STILL a noob game, a warcraft player can play dota but a dota player can not play warcraft.

If you play dota as a side game NO PROBLEM THERE!!!, like if you are some hardcore COD player and just playing dota because thats all you can play on your 56k no scene, Just don't get fooled by thinking being good in dota makes you a good gamer. Its like those guys that beast stepmania...
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All games are NOT created equal!! besides what you may think all games are not for fun, some games like FT were created for competitive gaming relying on micro. CS was made for that very reason, to make a strategic shooter away from the normal deathmatch that is common to this day. Big gaming orgs use these GOSU games to have their 'worldcups'

eg.

ESWC - Counter-Strike, Counter-Strike Women, Warcraft III, Pro Evolution Soccer 4, Unreal Tournament 2004, Quake III Arena, Gran Turismo 4

WCG - Fifa 06, CS 1.6, NFS, SC, FT, DOW etc etc

I really wish you all were taking DotA seriously, it is getting some recognition and as the game is 'noobish' i think we may stand a chance in the international arena with ALl the time these players invest in Dota. DotA is still very limited in its recognition as a 'gosu game'

WoW has NO place here....
Wow was made to get players addicted by prolonged activities to make money.
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As arch rightly mentioned Normal sweats are doing rather well on local and many of the members are going to bnet to train and come during the nights to show off what they have learnt. With vlad/khal/andy giving comments the players are sure to do well.

Just reminding everyone as to how TGS got where it was, it was the hardwork of just a handful of trinis. Don't be fooled by thinking the foreigners got TGS to #1, TGS was at the time run by xwing/vlad, the trini crew were just gunnin it on bnet when we realized that we were actually
moving up the ladder. Viper re-took TC and called on even more TRINI support to get us to that #1.

Trinis can do it!!

YES you can have fun at a game you want to be #1 in, duh thats how i feel when playing any game.

[kaizen]

why not for the games that are very competitive have laegues
there as a trini warcraft leage
ah fps league
console legue
subdivide so that we know which men play what and can bunch them together make teams , hve the guys that love to play the same games sweat with each other trinidad has a lot of potential for fighting games , strat and fps we have servers up to invite international men to vs? y not we already have a war3 server only problem is the other servers and financial issues are going to be a major problem

until dota shows a big grasp as a comptetive game globaly it is out of discusiion

[Paradoxxx]

DSL availability is an issue for the FPS online but I like where you are going with this.

[vax]

good plan... if u guys thinkin about havin ahh jokey side ( that kinda serious ) in fps count me in buh hada be cod 2 cause i real shitty in other fps
as for d poll i cudn't vote cause it didn't have ahh option for both

[Hidden]

Life already too stressful for many people to have the time to become #1.

A lil fun off and on is all that i require ..I find we are making a mountain out of a ...snow cone.

[ecktt]

Sheesh, you all miss my point apparntly.

Vax, sorry to tell hoss, yuh suck @ at all fps (Cod inc) :p . we does just let yuh play to hear yuh bawl "SUPRESSIVE FIRE". In any case games like cod and cs is filt if only because when you head shot a man @ point blank range with a sniper rifle without the scope, he doe dead! In fact it does count as a complete miss!

[scaR]

Ecktt I think it's something to do with you being drunk when you check out the forums. :S

At least Vax does be kicks when he tight oui.

I concur with din din, this thread kinda pointless. If anyone is to blame it isn't the gamers it's the administration. Of course we are trying to change that, but it won't come overnight.

[archvile]

i think you all really miss the point of what i was saying, this is segregation, exactly what i was speaking against...sigh...

[Itachi]

Lol, waste of time thread imo, only out to flame ppl who don't play "competitive games". I'd like to see you guys try out the PvP aspect of WoW, that there is ladders for. Honestly it all depends on what u deem "competition" i mean come on, there's freakin scrabble "competitions" and men does have peeing contests sometimes when drunk. You guys are just acting like 5 year olds who have not had their way.

[vax]

Hmmm.... me ehh knows... i just like d mere fact dat i get tuh meet other trinis who game i mean shit... limin with d crowd i never knew half d men i use to lime with use to game until after i leave uwi so me ehh know all dis crap about what dis server mean and what it suppose tuh stand for i ehh know bout dat all i know is @ least i know i playin with meh comrades as shitty and as good as dey come ( and duh yes expect me tuh cuss men for playin shit casue daz who i am ) i like tuh cuss
btw if dis thread belong somewhere else feel free tuh move it tuh d appropiate place odder wise dat "meeting" dat takin place on sunday shit i hope u guys sought out some ahh d stuff going on... and if meh vote counts ( sure it don't ) 2 mods necesarry 1 scaros and d next mod i tink i shud be kai shit d man lives online and always on d server and yeah he ole enuff tuh know he place hell put him on probo friend and family ehh have no place here dis ahh game and from wha i hearin ahh "serious" game buh yeah we wana get ahh li serious buh i ehh want it be all serious cause hell ever hear about OXYMORON !? if yuh do english yuh go know wha dat mean (and yeah sold yuh dumb ass i write like dis cause dis d trini flavour) how d hell yuh o call ahh GAME serious ?? shit men go play for money men go play for title i play for one reason... tuh either get meh ass kick or beat d livin shit outta meh fellow T&T players.
(dat be ahh full stop as in end ahh meh mouth as in i done talk)

[ecktt]

Ecktt I think it's something to do with you being drunk when you check out the forums. :S Put simply, who are they to decide what is worthy of being a competitive game? I've stated in the (now) other thread my idea for making the server a better place but now I would like to add another. Stop game bias. Now i never disagreed with their opinion about their games of choice but at the same time i eh shoot down anyone else own. It could be argued that their choice in games is as much shit. Is like debating a marathon better than a 100 metre sprint. And what does being drunk have to do with anything? It wasn't my intension to be funny either, only simply to present a different point of view. Let me state this clearly. I ain't figthing down or tryin to insult anyone in this forum. Just remember folks, opinions are like assholes, everybody has 1.

[cereal_killer]

ANY NOOB can play dota for 3-4hrs a day and become really good @ dota, hell some men even sweating dota 24/7 and will eventually get really good however The same can not be said for normal FT.



so just because any one can pick up dota and after playing it a while they can get good in a short amount of time makes the gamea n00b game ?

so if i am able to do that in a fps which i have in halo where i baught a legit copy and played online and became better than the average gamer on those servers in a small amout of time with a couple hours of game play a day. does this make halo a n00b game ?

[phoenix31tt]

In response to para's statement that dota is a noob game...

that would be like comparing q3 to wc3... wc3 takes much more skill/time to learn so does that mean quake3 is a noob game? the difference i think is quake like dota is easy to learn. but it takes a certain skill to master. wc3 on the other hand is just more difficult to learn than non-rts...

kinda like what ck said

[rampage]

learning wc3 helps with you microing, you thinking, etc. that of which can be used in other games like DoW, starcraft, etc. is like someone who plays quake all their life. they doh have to even play a fps game like sof2 before, and they go immediately kick ass in it due to skill from playing quake over time.

eventually there will be a warcraft 4 or some other famous rts like starcraft 2 etc. after playing dota 24/7, what skills you gonna carry across? how to attack with 1 hero and run home to base?

but on another note, it have 2 different type of people as was said, men playing for fun then dota,WoW is cool, men playing competetively, then i think you should play wc3 normal, so you can carry on your skills. i would hate to see a professional dota player left stranded when games move on.

i cant predict the future, but i think it would be a smart idea to gain some rts skills that can be carried on, you never know what the future holds. mastering wc3, helps in other games. although warcraft is different to starcraft, those zerg players that moved onto wc3 already had their micro skills way above par to the new wc3 player.

just my 99 cents. i doh wanna see de trini players left on the pavement when games move on :( , *this is just my suggestion/advice, its not a fact, and its not something you have to follow because i cannot predict the future...just some thinking*

[Ninja644]

Ramp has a point when he was talking about trini players not moving on. Because this tends to happen when people get caught up with one particular game and don't spread out. Look at the infamous SOF era where it took a load of new people to show the masses that SOF was not the only FPS multiplayer game that people could sweat and become real good in.

With the whole DOTA is for noobs thing... i don't agree with that because even though it IS a mod of normal WC as people say it still takes some degree of skill to master.

The point is if you play for fun, play for fun and enjoy yourself. For the people who taking gaming seriously, don't expect to come in a game of noobs or people who you nto accosotmed playing with and then get angry.

[Paradoxxx]

I agree with Ramp but I would take it a bit further. It is my belief that there are some games that can take you further in the international arena than others.

Warcraft III has given Trinidad alot of publicity in the international arena. even with the retirement of TGS VLaD, Khalid, Anderson have made our country proud by constantly defeating the caribbeans 'best' players. PLayers that made it to international leagues. Can you say SOF2 can do the same for our country?

CS1.6 has done us proud as well and I am sure with the proposed changes that valve has implemented to take CS gameplay to the next level CSS will be on the charts once again. For that we should be thankful that quite a bit of us are prepared.

Dota is getting some recognition and Icefrog is doing a wonderful of keeping it fresh with each release. He is however one guy and in time he will get caught up with other activities needed for his overall development. Even programmers get bored developing 1 thing all the time. Should he move on to another challenge the game will become repetitive and ppl will get bored. Normal FT has greater depth and will last beyond dota, look at SC that game is still running strong.

[RawRr]

ANY NOOB can play dota for 3-4hrs a day and become really good @ dota, hell some men even sweating dota 24/7 and will eventually get really good however The same can not be said for normal FT.


I don't believe in this line, if your a "noob" playing DotA and even if u watch replays of other ppl "better" than you playing and you copy their items or style of playing or whatever it is, you still won't have the micro ablities to control your hero etc.
I believe most the ppl on the Warcraft Server who plays DotA almost never creep denies, use hot keys, use the shift control as movement for hero or chicken or anything like that. You can play DotA as much as you want but it still requires you to think quick and what you are going to do next as you attack the opponent, what item counters another item, what hero can go up against another hero etc.
Even though DotA doesn't have much micro abilities in it what so ever it still requires some skill to play it.

[Paradoxxx]

Though I disagreed with this somewhat in other posts, I have come to the realization that it does require SOME skill, it may not require as much skill as FT but it does have skill in it.

I think the major problem with the dota players is that they overlook the obvious extra stuff they need to do because the game is so easy...

Only skill could explain why people who don't play the game often come out on top in tourneys over people that play regularly.

[ladraxxx]

I ent care how long i just want to me gosu..(sky,ANGRY_KOREA_MAN)..like them :)

[opium]

hmmm i now looked into this topic, so we cant have both??

i play because i like it, while liking it want to be good at it.

i dont want to say i am No.1 at it, but fun is an important factor in playing games

so who up for office scout shooting?

[lithium]

i hate office so bad hoss... lol
dust 2 FTW

[Antics_]

sounds good.. gaming is 4 fun but ppl likes competition... cause thats wat makes it fun.....

[opium]

i disagree on that part because during tourny some ppl are not meant for tourney, no matter how well they play during competion they will suck under the stress that they must play good

[Ihsan]

You guys stray a bit but
1. DOTA,WC3,Streetfighter2 is just another SPORT. The PLAYERS determine the skill. The learning curve in DOTA is flatter so noobs learn more quickly but that doesn't mean that is GOSU DOTA > GOSU WC3. (for the record my OPINION is GOSU SC > GOSU WC3 > GOSU DOTA).
2. You need BOTH competitive gamers and 4 the fun gamers. Who is going to WATCH the tournaments? Who is going to popularise the games? The many 4-the-fun, 6-hours-a-week players.

[opium]

i just spent my 6hr/week on cs:s just now :P

it was fun!!!!

[Paradoxxx]

Ihsan has made many valid points. straying just a tad again, coming from a SC background I would say it has many strong strategical advantages over FT but I dunno.. I would say they are equal considering each has their own strengths.

Personally I can't wait for blizzard to bring out SC2, DoW was supposed to be that but imo failed to capture what SC is, just pure hardness.

[androsovic]

Ihsan has made many valid points. straying just a tad again, coming from a SC background I would say it has many strong strategical advantages over FT but I dunno.. I would say they are equal considering each has their own strengths.

Personally I can't wait for blizzard to bring out SC2, DoW was supposed to be that but imo failed to capture what SC is, just pure hardness.

As a matter of fact,DoW was supposed to be what warcraft is,however,blizzard and games workshop had a slight falling out, and games workshop had to haul more or less. But u can see traces of each game in the other, for e.g the gryphon rider says 'this warhammer cost me 40,000' or something so, and the ork(spelled ork in warhammer) watchtowers look EXACTLY like the ones in wc. Besides para,warhammer is wayyyyyyyyyy older than starcraft ;)

[Paradoxxx]

I am familiar with the history of warhammer.

DoW tried to change the core stuff 2 fast(make/break), maybe blizzard disagreed with the way in which dw wished to approach the matter of gameplay? DoW is still a very kewl game but I think blizzard can go 1 up on them with their next strategy release.

Blizzard knows their games and what gamers want. Generals, DoW, AOE don't have individually as larger a competitive gamer base as FT or SC. Games Workshop have to realize they need to copy a bit more and slowly implement fundemental changes.

SC is still quite popular in korea, its even be more popular than FT from what I gather. Say what DOW is prettier :)

[joker]

all i want to know if iz it have guns or not. I love Imperials Guard. Sentinels own ALL ARMOUR!!! :D

[loki]

Never been an RTS player... no matter how hard i try... i cannot get my mind into the game, once it goes 10mins+...
I love FPS and i will play competitively anytime and anyday... Sad thing right now imo... its just WoW and DoTa ... The few times i see some CS i am working *cry*...

Right now wow is to pass time... I am out of game more these days... catching up on anime and doing school work and such... i need some FPS to take back over... so i can start having some fun... I miss the competition i miss the thrill... and i still say in CSS ... you cannot come around eX.

Come on Para... lets get back the killing back in order. :).

[Xecutiona]

lol...loki u sure u eh lost skill by playing dota all the time?

[Paradoxxx]

actually Xe CSS is easier to just pickup than dota/ft, I havn't played with lokes in a while (even during a sweat he was in wow) but Im sure his skill would still be high.

Yeah eX hard no tail in CSS, dota, ft tic tac toe. In CSS my team is more connected than in dota's and in CSS 1 guy can take out all the enemies ;)

[Xecutiona]

hmm aight..... play meh in 1.6 nah ! :P

nah but in serious the new updatews making the gameplay closer to 1.6 so its getting better

[Paradoxxx]

lol Xe you all won the 1.6 tourney and feel gboyz hard lol,

I HOPE valve encourages the leagues to leave out or add CSS to its line up, it is the superior game. In CS 1.6 that magnum is 2 imba and with the level of players eX has we will be unstopable.

[Xecutiona]

its just the shot lag that gets to me in the source...not that i complain tho i play BOTH (if yuh cud member lol) but really the gameplay comin back to the root(1.6)

[loki]

its just the shot lag that gets to me in the source...not that i complain tho i play BOTH (if yuh cud member lol) but really the gameplay comin back to the root(1.6)

Like i keep saying Xec. 1.6 is a complete game that still have lots of cheeses... but Source is a game that still getting it patches and upgrades and getting better with everyone. Source will step up to claim the throne... unless valve hit we the official CS2